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In what sense is an unsolicited and unwanted marketing email not spam?


They didn't say it was unsolicited or unwanted. They just said if they could not unsubscribe in one or two clicks they'd mark it as spam, regardless if it was spam.

Why the down vote?


By clicking 'unsubscribe', the implied intent is that the email is unwanted. So I can either mark an email as 'unwanted' by clicking 'unsubscribe' or by clicking 'report spam'. I'll always give the sender the benefit of the doubt and try to unsubscribe, but if any action is required on my part other than clicking the link, I take the path of least resistance and simply click 'report spam'. Either way, I'll stop getting those emails.


But what if it's transactional or something you signed up for? Something merely unwanted is not by definition spam.


Doesn't the fact that they immediately want to unsubscribe make it quite obvious that the email is unsolicited?

I have been getting spam from companies who obviously got my email address from someone who sold it to them, for quite a while now. Even though their messages have clear unsubscribe links, list real mailing addresses, and use reputable email marketing companies, that doesn't make it any less spammy.


> Doesn't the fact that they immediately want to unsubscribe make it quite obvious that the email is unsolicited?

No, not at all. Spam is typically defined as bulk and indiscriminate.


"Why the down vote?"

Downvotes are used nowadays as a way to disagree with your standpoint or reasoning.


I can understand if the reasoning is in bad faith but downvoting merely for disagreement seems like abuse.


Right, and there once was a time when voting was used that way, but that time has been gone for quite a while now.


> They just said if they could not unsubscribe in one or two clicks they'd mark it as spam, regardless if it was spam.

While I'm not limiting spam to this definition, spam is any email that cannot be unsubscribed to in one or two reasonable clicks. If I discover email I was getting is spam, I will mark it as spam.


Does "any email" include transactional messages? Emails you requested? Emails from friends and coworkers?

Not all email must include unsubscribe capabilities.


That argument is pedantic and does not contribute positively to the discussion. Do you believe that the person talking about unsubscribe really means email from his mother-in-law?

Let's use our common sense, shall we? Do you think he marks as spam emails from his coworkers because they don't include unsubscribe links thar onl require one click?

If you don't think he meant that, let's not discuss it regardless of how one might twist his words out of context.


You're downvoting because of that?

The person specifically said "any email that does not have a one-click unsubscribe". Two of the three categories I mentioned were not "emails from gramma" but that's the example you choose to focus on?

I really do think he means that he marks as spam messages that are not spam. And the biggest problem with spam prevention is the false marking as spam. It's much worse to miss a legit email than to receive spam.


> I really do think he means that he marks as spam messages that are not spam.

You honestly think I mark as spam receipts, emails I ask for, and email from friends? Did I really need to put the disclaimer in? I thought "While I'm not limiting spam to this definition," was enough.

Here, I'll help you.

Just to be clear, I also don't mark as spam email from my half-sisters, half-brothers, brother, sisters-in-law, brother-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, step-mother, step-father, and my wife. Oh wait, forgot to mention all my cousins, and the rest of the family! Clearly, I must mark them as spam.




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