I almost impulse per-ordered the RM2 when I first read about the SD card mod here on HN. I decided to wait after hearing about the limitations as a reader and the slow software development. If you're considering the RM2 for anything other than a sketch/note pad, I highly encourage you to watch this fantastic review from My Deep Guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iIAYMsugzM
I ultimately passed on the device for a few reasons:
1. The RM1 and 2 both don't allow file transfers as a mass storage device. If you want local, non cloud based transfer, you need to use a flaky local web UI that hasn't been improved in years
2. The internal storage still hasn't been updated from 8 (6 usable) GB. This is an obvious attempt to sell cloud storage in the future
3. While the hardware is amazing the software moves at a snail's pace. This is either management holding development back by trying to simplify the device out of existence or the team simply lacks the resources or ability to improve it
4. There has been almost no attempt to improve reader functionality in years. Things as simple as font resizing are 30x slower than on a Kindle
5. It seems obvious to me that management doesn't understand the target audience for the device
> reMarkable 2 features USB-C for faster charging and data transfer.
Even if this does not mean that mass storage is or will be supported officially, maybe unofficial support could be added using the Linux Kernel's USB Gadget API g_mass_storage as a module. More info:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/mass-storage.rst
https://developer.ridgerun.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_use_mass_storage_gadget
https://github.com/reMarkable/linux
https://remarkable.engineering/ -- toolchain here
> 3. While the hardware is amazing the software moves at a snail's pace. This is either management holding development back by trying to simplify the device out of existence or the team simply lacks the resources or ability to improve it
To be fair it looks like a pretty small team (7 people listed with 2-3 actively developing) so I doubt it is management. More likely not a priority right now, limited resources, or in the too hard basket.
Based on the review posted, there is still no way to natively transfer files other than the web interface. The reviewer is a developer so he should know what he is talking about.
Thanks for the changelog... you're totally right about the software moving slow. Lots of UX changes, lots of battery improvements, but the only major feature added that I saw was handwriting recognition.
I get it isn't possible from an end user point of view to connect as mass storage. But I wonder if it might be possible with the hardware after modifications to the kernel configuration.
> It seems obvious to me that management doesn't understand the target audience for the device
> If you're considering the RM2 for anything other than a sketch/note pad
It is marketed as a sketch/note pad and that's about it. The e-reader feature is like the youtube functionality on a Switch. It's there because "lolwhynot" and little more.
I have one and I really love mine. But all I wanted was a digital notebook. If I wanted more than that I would have gotten a Surface tablet or an Ipad Pro. It's definitely expensive for what it is, but it's not really marketed as a mass market device either.
> It is marketed as a sketch/note pad and that's about it. The e-reader feature is like the youtube functionality on a Switch. It's there because "lolwhynot" and little more.
I personally disagree with this. I almost bought one because I wanted a good notebook and a lot of notes I write these days is specifically related to ebooks and pdf documentation that I work against. I almost ordered one after seeing this post.
However, from the review it appears like this will be impossible to annotate documents with. I want to be able to highlight text on an epub (like I can on my kindle) and write notes to reference later about that section. I want to draw some diagrams as I'm reading the book to make sure I'm understanding code/workflows properly, etc...
I'm not sure why that's so out of the realm for a notebook style device.
Drawing and marking up PDFs works really well, I do this with math textbooks frequently, but you're correct that the highlighting is nothing more than a "drawing" You can't go to the pages you've highlighted, or even extract text you've highlighted.
It's almost equivalent to being able to write directly on a textbook, however you can export your marked up document as a PDF.
epub gets converted to pdf internally on the device which can be annotated. I have found it is easier in the long run to do this myself with Calibre on my desktop or laptop.
Whatever the Remarkable is marketed as, it's an e-reader.
Pretty much by definition people buying e-readers are buying them to read with.
Clearly the Surface/iPad are not comparable to e-screens for that specific purpose and the obvious UX (usability) fail in the Remarkable in that regard means there is still a significant market gap for people who want an e-reader which bridges those two worlds, particularly (for me and many others) reading technical manuals.
It isn't though. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. Heck, when it was released, the e-reader functionality was even more deficient than it is today and barely mentioned. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. They improved the e-reader aspect a lot since then, so now it's kind of usuable as one, sortoff, but it's very much not an e-reader first.
To be fair to you, they are pretty keen on stressing that, while marketing within the e-reader segment.
Conceding the point to you though means that there is still clearly a gap for those of us who want to read technical manuals (unless there is a device that somebody can recommend) between the brilliant linear-reading experience of e-readers and the smooth larger screen random-access UX experience of tablets like those you cite.
Absolutely, though the gap is somewhat niche. Even for e-readers, the amount of people who still care about e-ink is getting smaller. In my peer group everyone moved to ipads or whatever (I don't know how they can stand it, but...).
> Things as simple as font resizing are 30x slower than on a Kindle
It's not a constant factor. This is best understood as a bug. Here's what the reviewer demonstrated: If you change the font size, then the interface locks up and you can't do anything, until the backend has generated new page images for the entire PDF—no matter how many pages there are. He showed that, while it was fast for a small document, it locked up for about 50 seconds when resizing the font on The Count of Monte Cristo (a large novel, perhaps 1200 pages). Furthermore, he said that if, during that time, you changed any of the other settings (resizing again, changing line spacing, etc.), it would take another 50 seconds, and another if you pressed two of the buttons, and so on. It is very clear that no QA person (whose reports are heeded) tested out those operations on a decent-sized novel or technical manual. (If they tried Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire—not the largest book in the series—then, going by word count, it would have locked up for 20.5 seconds.)
A sane viewer app—one of which the reviewer demonstrated—would redraw the current page, then give control back to the user, while continuing to redraw other pages in the background. It's a bit tricky, because until you render the previous pages at some level, it might not be clear where the page break for the current page would be; but you could choose an arbitrary point, use that temporarily, and eventually correct it when rendering catches up.
The reviewer did show convincingly that the viewer app is very lacking in features or basic polish. (Another example: You can zoom into a page, selecting a smaller section of it to view. However, you cannot drag this view around the page; if you want to see elsewhere on the page at the same magnification, you must undo the zoom, then select a new region to zoom into.) This is odd for an e-ink device, whose homepage has a section titled "An eye-friendly reading experience: Comfortably read PDFs or ebooks for hours on end without backlight, glare, or eye strain."
> Things as simple as font resizing are 30x slower than on a Kindle
Wow, thanks, I was very interested in this for marking up documents + notes. I guess I could still use my kindle for most of my reading anyway, but the video gave me the impression the RM2 was very fluid and fast.
If I'm understanding correctly, the screen's responsiveness to input is great, but the UI's responsiveness is not?
I've been using the RM1 for a few months. The screen and UI responsiveness are both fine. What is astonishingly slow is their ereader implementation. Basically, the model is something like this:
• The ReMarkable is primarily like a sheet of paper you can write on (or a paper notepad).
• This "sheet of paper" can also have a background template (like dots, a grid, or an arbitrary image), different for every page. (You can add your own images/templates onto the device with scp and editing a JSON config file.)
• When you read PDFs on it, each page (at your specified zoom level / crop region) is rasterized (reasonably quickly) into such a background image, with the result that you can write on the PDF page if you want. (These won't be "PDF annotations" in the PDF-standard's sense AFAIK, which some people complain about: it's just like writing/drawing on some image. But you can export your annotated PDF as PDF/PNG/SVG.)
• When you read EPUBs on it, the whole epub gets converted by some incredibly slow process into the equivalent of what it does for PDF (my understanding is that it's basically rasterizing each page). This means that if you're reading an EPUB (that you downloaded from the internet or transferred from your Kindle or whatever), and you do something as simple as changing the font size, you can expect it to take tens of seconds(!) even for a small 200-page book, as it's "regenerating" an image for each (resulting) page of the book. Once that is done, though (i.e. you don't change/resize font again), it's reasonably quick and straightforward to use.
So, now, I don't bother with trying to read EPUBs on the device; I convert to PDF first on my computer (where I can more quickly and interactively tweak font size, page size, etc), then read the PDF on the device. That works very well.
Ah, ok, that is slow, but makes more sense if it is processing the entire book vs just the page you are on. Thank you for explaining further how it works. Still piques my interest - and would be nice to be able to templatize some scaffolded notes (i.e. daily planner, without having to re-buy physical notebooks)
I'm not quite sure what you mean by the PDFs and EPUBs being rasterized - that's always happening with anything that is displayed on a screen. Do you mean that it is converted to a raster format and stored like that? (outside of a frame buffer that is)
Yes, there seems to be a cache somewhere. They have a nice trick: when you flip pages, a lower-resolution cached image renders and you can immediately start reading/writing, before being (almost immediately) replaced by the actual-resolution one. (See about 15:15 to 20:00 in this video: https://youtu.be/YWLJPyTrHnM?t=915)
For PDFs, any chance you’ve tried reading science journal articles on it? I’m thinking this could be a great way to finally get a greener way to read on paper without printing, but I’m worried its still annoying to do.
Yes, I've read quite a few maths and CS journal articles and conference papers on it, including some two-column ones. Things I'd have previously printed on paper. It's a good substitute (I'm happy, and I'm reading more, as this device can help me stay away from laptop/phone), with a couple of caveats:
- The screen size is slightly smaller than a regular A4 or Letter sized sheet of paper. You can go to "Adjust View" on the reMarkable and choose a smaller region of each page to fill the available screen (i.e., get rid of the margins and header/footer), which increases the size a bit.
- Academic papers often have footnotes / references on the last page or two, and if you care about them you'll want to flip back and forth (or in some cases you may also want to flip between two separate documents), which is quite a bit more annoying on this device than it would be on paper. Using https://github.com/ddvk/remarkable-hacks adds some features that make it better.
On the plus side, on this device I feel more free to write on it and mark up etc (can always undo / erase cleanly), while on paper (even printouts, let alone books) I somehow hesitate a bit more.
2 - If they were that interested in selling cloud storage I suspect this would have happened by now. I have numerous large physics, math and comp sci text books on my RM1 and have no storage issus.
3 - They have issued numerous updates to the software.
4 - They have made improvements to reader functionality. As I and others have noted - font resizing and first use of epubs is slow because those files are converted to a pdf which is what is actually displayed on the device.
5 - The company would not be on a 2nd generation device if they did not understand their target audience. What is clear (to me) is that they don't see everyone as their audience ala Apple or Amazon.
When I thought about it I just compared it to the price of a notebook and pen which costs virtually nothing. The RM isn't 500x more useful than a real pen. It also hardly stacks up against an ipad with the pen accessory.
As someone who has been a paper notebook writer for decades, who went through boxes of paper ergonomic for writing a year, low dozens of pens, including fountain pens and ink, and who stored square meters of old notebooks for those decades, paying for every inch- for some users, the R reaches 1x ROI in less than a year.
Yeah for someone who writes that much it could make sense. But for me, I don't write notes on paper, I use it to draw diagrams and visualize things for myself as well as communicating. I use paper a bit like a whiteboard and a single notebook can last me years. The RM looks like a very cool tool but I would never justify the price.
Full review: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsSI9-gaSSmiXwb7Vjk5V...
I ultimately passed on the device for a few reasons:
1. The RM1 and 2 both don't allow file transfers as a mass storage device. If you want local, non cloud based transfer, you need to use a flaky local web UI that hasn't been improved in years
2. The internal storage still hasn't been updated from 8 (6 usable) GB. This is an obvious attempt to sell cloud storage in the future
3. While the hardware is amazing the software moves at a snail's pace. This is either management holding development back by trying to simplify the device out of existence or the team simply lacks the resources or ability to improve it
4. There has been almost no attempt to improve reader functionality in years. Things as simple as font resizing are 30x slower than on a Kindle
5. It seems obvious to me that management doesn't understand the target audience for the device