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* Non-Java JVM languages are too different for people to use.

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* It's not worth switching from Java to other languages because they're just Java with syntactic sugar.



Clojure and Kotlin are two very different languages. I don’t see anyone making the broad statements you are calling out.


No, of course not.

I misread

> Syntactic sugar does not solve programming problems. Kotlin does not offer any paradigm changes which could make switch worth it.

and

> Also, java 8 and above is getting a lot leaner to use, api, linguistics .. so the gap with clojure is a bit less than before.




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